tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post1760003798345144366..comments2024-03-15T23:23:42.420+02:00Comments on Cosmic X in Jerusalem: Rabbi Druckman, Rabbi Sherman and the Conversion CrisisCosmic Xhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-13288103060685282142008-06-12T21:44:00.000+03:002008-06-12T21:44:00.000+03:00Thanks Yitz.Thanks Yitz.Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-41651430561899674082008-06-12T00:35:00.000+03:002008-06-12T00:35:00.000+03:00Thanks Cosmic, for trying to be a bit more objecti...Thanks Cosmic, for trying to be a bit more objective & trying to disover the Truth of the matter. For more interesting reading along these lines, I would suggest looking into R. Yitzchak Adlerstin's take, with 100 comments thereon:<BR/>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2008/05/16/the-conversion-psak-some-comments-and-one-observation/yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08523302947845887661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-35761803441901905632008-06-10T17:30:00.000+03:002008-06-10T17:30:00.000+03:00Josh,I am not a rabbi and I certainly cannot adjud...Josh,<BR/><BR/>I am not a rabbi and I certainly cannot adjudicate this dispute. I have not and will not express an opinion with regards to validity of the conversions. I am trying to say that there <B>is</B> a problem here and it has to be solved in a halachic way and not through manifests, rallies, etc.Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-1744695607644818762008-06-10T01:27:00.000+03:002008-06-10T01:27:00.000+03:00R.SHAPIRO AND R.ELIYAHU DO NOT .AGREE WITH YOU. T...R.SHAPIRO AND R.ELIYAHU DO NOT .AGREE WITH YOU. THEY STATED IT DOES NOT INVALIDATE THE GIUR.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13087970632634299335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-18757007109701246912008-06-06T15:23:00.000+03:002008-06-06T15:23:00.000+03:00Jameel,I don't get it. There is nothing in those ...Jameel,<BR/><BR/>I don't get it. There is nothing in those posts that touch on the veracity of Rabbi Sherman's allegations.<BR/><BR/>I believe that Rabbi Doctor Woolf is in error when he writes "One of the main arguments put forward by R. Avraham Sherman against R. Druckman's conversions is that R. Druckman signed on conversions at which he was not present.<B> This was a technical matter since Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-41965364073930382732008-06-06T10:13:00.000+03:002008-06-06T10:13:00.000+03:00Cosmicx: As to the veracity of R. Avraham Sherman'...Cosmicx: As to the veracity of R. Avraham Sherman's allegations, please the the following:<BR/><BR/>http://benchorin.blogspot.com/2008/05/one-of-main-arguments-put-forward-by-r.html<BR/>http://myobiterdicta.blogspot.com/2008/05/kol-ha-posel-or-rabbi-sherman-revelatus.htmlJameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-68381122187668049222008-06-06T10:00:00.000+03:002008-06-06T10:00:00.000+03:00This affects innocent, sincere people who made a p...This affects innocent, sincere people who made a point to convert according to Halacha. They, and their decendants, are the most important in this issue. I remember learning that one isn not supposed to look for halachik problems. When I check lettuce for bugs, I use simple reading glasses, not a strong magnifying glass.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-76747961846549444682008-06-05T21:53:00.000+03:002008-06-05T21:53:00.000+03:00May the Chief rabbinate have the wisdom to get us ...<I>May the Chief rabbinate have the wisdom to get us out of this mess.</I><BR/><BR/>Amen.<BR/><BR/><I>Let's say that Rabbi Sherman and his court erred in issuing the psak.</I><BR/><BR/>The RCA unquivocally states that R' Sherman's psak, the way it was worded, and the entire way this whole situation was run is a tremendous chilul Hashem.<BR/><BR/>My post was specifically about the way one treats aJameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-80677421960772086002008-06-05T21:34:00.000+03:002008-06-05T21:34:00.000+03:00Jameel,Let's say that Rabbi Sherman and his court ...Jameel,<BR/><BR/>Let's say that Rabbi Sherman and his court erred in issuing the psak.<BR/><BR/>But now that the alleged problems with the Beit Din in Merkaz Shapira have been made public, <B>we cannot ignore them because we think that they should not have been publicized, or that we think that the Beit Din has ulterior motives.</B><BR/> <BR/>With regards to the RCA statement, that's exactly whatCosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-73231958948425268532008-06-05T17:40:00.000+03:002008-06-05T17:40:00.000+03:00Ta'am Lifgam? The RCA thought the following of th...Ta'am Lifgam? The RCA thought the following of the psak:<BR/><BR/>"Having reviewed the ruling of the Bet Din Elyon in detail, and being fully mindful of the respect due the rulings of duly constituted rabbinical courts in their respective jurisdictions, the RCA finds it necessary to state for the record that <B>in our view the ruling itself, as well as the language and tone thereof, are entirelyJameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-59780523989177718602008-06-05T17:34:00.000+03:002008-06-05T17:34:00.000+03:00Lemon,Thanks. For further reading see this.Jamee...Lemon,<BR/><BR/>Thanks. For further reading see <A HREF="http://rechovot.blogspot.com/2008/05/r-shirman-vs-r-druckman-made-simple.html" REL="nofollow"> this</A>.<BR/><BR/>Jameel,<BR/><BR/>For sure the fact that the Beit Din went against Rav Amar's instructions has a "Ta'am Lifgam". In any case the issues must be dealt with.Cosmic Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-33194137882000929622008-06-05T17:20:00.000+03:002008-06-05T17:20:00.000+03:00R' Sherman issued this ruling in direct opposition...R' Sherman issued this ruling in direct opposition to R' Amar who instructed him and the other dayanim NOT to rule on this issue.<BR/><BR/>Despite the "soundness" of the psak, I question the motivation of it -- because it was issued explicitly against the order of the Rishon LZion, who rightfully wanted the issue to be thoroughly examined, including the full ramifications of retroactively Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10275443.post-67450089892965736342008-06-05T03:11:00.000+03:002008-06-05T03:11:00.000+03:00Amen. Thanks, this put it into balanced perspectiv...Amen. <BR/>Thanks, this put it into balanced perspective.Chana @ Lemon Lime Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11656854855385193867noreply@blogger.com